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October 24, 2005 Issue
Copyright © 2005 The American Conservative

The Fathers’ War

They serve their country and lose their children.
By Stephen Baskerville


While our country focuses on the war abroad, many of our soldiers fight personal battles here at home—or more accurately, can’t fight. They are losing their families and getting little help from an administration that claims to “support the troops” while doing nothing to protect the parental rights of the fathers it sent into combat.

All the services are facing a severe drop in recruitment, and additional recruiters, stepped-up advertising, and bigger bonuses have not reversed the trend. The media points to the war itself, but the shortfall also coincides with a dramatic rise in military divorces, which the Army reports have nearly doubled since 2001. “We’ve seen nothing like this before,” says Col. Glen Bloomstrom, a chaplain who oversees family-support programs. “It indicates the amount of stress on couples, on families, as the Army conducts the global war on terrorism.”

It indicates much more than stress. “There most certainly is a relationship between current recruiting problems and an increase in military divorces,” says Capt. Gene Thomas Gomulka, a retired Navy chaplain and writer on military marriage.

Muffled by feminist orthodoxy, the Army and media are not disclosing the facts behind these divorces or publicizing the threat they pose to preparedness. The important points are these: the divorces are almost all initiated by wives, the servicemen usually lose their children—which for many is their main incentive for serving their country—and finally, they often become liable to criminal prosecution for child support that is impossible for them to pay.

Laws protecting active-duty servicemen against legal actions are ignored by family courts. Deployed servicemen have virtually no protection against unilaterally initiated divorce proceedings that permanently separate them from their children without any show of wrongdoing. Child kidnapping laws likewise do not protect them from having their children relocated, even to foreign countries, while they cannot be present to defend their parental rights. When they return, they have no necessary right to see their children—and can be arrested for trying to do so—who often join the ranks of the permanently fatherless.

The Lansing State Journal recently reported on Joe McNeilly, a National Guardsman who “would still have his son if he hadn’t been deployed,” according to Maj. Dawn Dancer, public-affairs officer for the Michigan National Guard. Invoking the correct legal buzzwords, the mother and her lawyer claimed he lost custody not because of his deployment but because of his “parenting skills.” Yet his parenting skills were clearly defined in terms of his deployment. The court attested that it stripped him of custody because his wife was the “day-to-day caretaker and decision maker in the child’s life” while McNeilly was deployed. His alleged parental deficiencies also proceeded apparently from his duties as a soldier. “My client is making sure to turn off the TV when the news reports deaths in Iraq,” the mother’s lawyer said, “and (McNeilly) was engaging in behaviors that brought fear.” In other words, he was fighting a war.

Even more astounding, vicariously divorced servicemen can be criminally prosecuted for child-support arrearages that are almost impossible not to accrue while they are on duty. Reservists are hit particularly hard because their child-support burdens are based on their civilian pay and do not decrease when their income decreases. Because reservists are often mobilized with little notice, few get modifications before they leave, and modifications are almost never granted anyway. They cannot get relief when they return because federal law prohibits retroactive reductions for any reason. Once arrearages reach $5,000, the soldier becomes a felon and subject to imprisonment.

Further, states assess interest and penalties on arrearages, which may accrue because of human or computer errors. These too cannot be forgiven, so parents who fall behind for reasons beyond their control can never have these debts erased. Because state agencies are federally subsidized based on how much they collect, they have a powerful incentive not to reduce burdens, to extract every penny they can find, and to make “errors.”

Deployed soldiers are also targeted by women who falsely designate them as the fathers of their newborns. “The military provides a steady, easily garnished income as well as medical care,” says Carnell Smith of Citizens Against Paternity Fraud. It is difficult to contest paternity while fighting a war thousands of miles away.

Spouses have other financial incentives to divorce military personnel. A serviceman must complete 20 years of active service to qualify for retirement pay. A woman married to the man for one day may claim a portion of the pension for life, without regard to fault or need, simply by filing for divorce. As David Usher points out in Men’s News Daily, there is no limit on how many times a woman can do this. (Men have done it too.)

None of this is hypothetical. Many veterans face such hardships now:

• “Gary,” an 18-year veteran with an unblemished military and civilian record, was stripped of his child by a California court while deployed in Afghanistan as a Navy SEAL, according to Fox News. Columnist Glenn Sacks reports that he is now being bankrupted by child support and legal fees.

• Bobby Sherrill, a father of two from Parkton, North Carolina, was held hostage in Iraq for nearly five months. The night he returned from the Persian Gulf he was arrested for failing to pay $1,425 in child support while captive.

• While serving in Iraq, Taron James was ordered to pay support for a child he knew could not be his, and DNA tests confirmed his claim. The district attorney and Los Angeles County Child Support Services nevertheless seized his tax refund annually, blocked him from renewing his notary-public license—which caused him to lose his job—ruined his credit, blocked him from obtaining a passport, and forced him to drop out of college.

These are not aberrations. They proceed from the ideologically and bureaucratically driven logic of the custody-support industry, which depends for its justification on removing children and criminalizing the fathers.

The Army’s response has been to spend millions on therapeutic gimmicks in a futile effort to reduce the divorces: counseling services, support groups, romantic getaways, even advice to single soldiers on how to pick partners wisely.

“Our hope is to change the culture,” says Bloomstrom, who also adopts civilian-sector jargon. “Initially there’s a stigma about any program to do with relationships. We need to teach that there’s nothing wrong with preventive maintenance for marriage.”

The Army is burying its head in the sand. We can only hope that communications workshops and cultural understanding are not the approach they take to opponents in the field. They do so in this case because the threat is not Islamic radicals but feminist radicals.

Those affected see through the obfuscation. “This is outrageous,” said Kathy Moakler, deputy director of government relations of the National Military Family Association. “It’s a scary precedent to set, charging the parent with abandonment because he was deployed.”

Obviously these men have not abandoned their children. Yet what justifies criminal penalties, if it is not to catch those who have? If these fathers are being stripped of their children and criminalized through no fault of their own, why should we assume that others are being treated any less unjustly? This points to the larger issue, since the obvious injustices to soldiers, sailors, and airmen are simply the logical next step from what has been inflicted on others for years. The dysfunctional effects on military efficiency are also paralleled elsewhere in society.

The flight of men from the military strikingly parallels the flight of men from marriage, with its attendant drop in birth rates, that has come to preoccupy policymakers up to the level of president. Men are staying away from both institutions for the same reasons: for many they have become a ticket to jail.

The National Marriage Project at Rutgers University reports a continued drop in the marriage rate. They too ignore the criminal penalties that men can incur when they marry, instead urging therapy and formulaically excoriating men for their lack of “commitment.” Citing the Rutgers study, Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services Wade Horn promotes federal marriage programs inculcating “conflict-resolution skills.”

Men do not risk their lives, fight, and die for a country that is an abstraction. They fight and die for their families and homes and freedom, all of which are being taken away by the courts. “Sometimes I wonder what I risked my life for [in Afghanistan],” “Gary” tells Sacks. “I went to fight for freedom but what freedom and what rights mean anything if a man doesn’t have the right to be a father to his own child?”

Gordon Dollar was a reservist for 16 years in the National Guard and Naval Reserves. “I have friends that are very motivated and dedicated people, Frogmen/SEALS, Green Berets, and Rangers, and they were getting out too,” he tells Usher. “I think people who served this country are feeling betrayed by it, and see no point in serving it.”

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has just signed legislation protecting military personnel in custody and child-support cases. Missouri is the only other state to protect reservists on active duty by requiring automatic adjustments in their child support. More states need to act.

Federally, the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act, which protects deployed military persons from other civil suits, should be amended to include specifically the actions of divorce courts and child-support bureaucracies. The Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction and Enforcement Act, designed to prevent parental kidnappings, could also be modified to protect service personnel whose children are snatched away. Finally, Congress should repeal the infamous Bradley Amendment, so that judges can exercise reasonable discretion to modify child-support debts downward as well as upward in cases in patent injustice.

It is ironic that, as we defend a questionable military policy with patriotic appeals to support the troops who must execute it, we allow the breakdown of traditional morality and the erosion of ancient legal protections for the family to ruin those same troops once they return home. This undermines not only the military, of course, but also the patriotic appeals. But even more, in the long run it also undermines our national defense. It would be difficult to find a single policy that so simultaneously weakens the nation within and without.

What we are seeing here is only one vindication of now forgotten prophecies from critics like G.K. Chesterton that easy divorce would destroy not only the family but civilization itself. Yet as the prediction is fulfilled before our eyes, our leaders obfuscate it with clichés and psychobabble.

The much-belabored parallel with Rome is irresistible. External threats are successfully withstood until the internal moral decay that accompanies the breakdown of republican freedom and virtue. For Islamists who regard the West as a morally and sexually decadent culture, the prospect must be encouraging.
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Stephen Baskerville is a political scientist and president of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children


October 24, 2005 Issue


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post Oct 16 2005, 12:29 AM
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The above is an infuriating outrage. A review of an earlier Buchanan piece also from The American Conservative is in order:

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Whose War?

A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.

by Patrick J. Buchanan

The War Party may have gotten its war. But it has also gotten something it did not bargain for. Its membership lists and associations have been exposed and its motives challenged. In a rare moment in U.S. journalism, Tim Russert put this question directly to Richard Perle: “Can you assure American viewers ... that we’re in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?”

Suddenly, the Israeli connection is on the table, and the War Party is not amused. Finding themselves in an unanticipated firefight, our neoconservative friends are doing what comes naturally, seeking student deferments from political combat by claiming the status of a persecuted minority group. People who claim to be writing the foreign policy of the world superpower, one would think, would be a little more manly in the schoolyard of politics. Not so.

Former Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot kicked off the campaign. When these “Buchananites toss around ‘neoconservative’—and cite names like Wolfowitz and Cohen—it sometimes sounds as if what they really mean is ‘Jewish conservative.’” Yet Boot readily concedes that a passionate attachment to Israel is a “key tenet of neoconservatism.” He also claims that the National Security Strategy of President Bush “sounds as if it could have come straight out from the pages of Commentary magazine, the neocon bible.” (For the uninitiated, Commentary, the bible in which Boot seeks divine guidance, is the monthly of the American Jewish Committee.)

-snip-

Indeed, it is the charge of “anti-Semitism” itself that is toxic. For this venerable slander is designed to nullify public discourse by smearing and intimidating foes and censoring and blacklisting them and any who would publish them. Neocons say we attack them because they are Jewish. We do not. We attack them because their warmongering threatens our country, even as it finds a reliable echo in Ariel Sharon.

-snip-

In a Feb. 9 front-page article in the Washington Post, Robert Kaiser quotes a senior U.S. official as saying, “The Likudniks are really in charge now.” Kaiser names Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith as members of a pro-Israel network inside the administration and adds David Wurmser of the Defense Department and Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council. (Abrams is the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, editor emeritus of Commentary, whose magazine has for decades branded critics of Israel as anti-Semites.)

Noting that Sharon repeatedly claims a “special closeness” to the Bushites, Kaiser writes, “For the first time a U.S. administration and a Likud government are pursuing nearly identical policies.” And a valid question is: how did this come to be, and while it is surely in Sharon’s interest, is it in America’s interest?

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Here’s another one to consider (Link):

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Nobody loves a shabbos goy:
Bush, Iraq, and Israel

By DOUGLAS OLSON

In olden days, before most just said "the hell with this" and abandoned real Judaism for its "conservative" and "reform" mutations, Jews spent an incredible amount of time and energy evading the inconvenient tenets of their religion. The endlessly creative mental and verbal gymnastics performed by their wise men to sidestep clear provisions of religious law were worthy of Olympic champions, and unquestionably were the intellectual precursors of Bill Clinton's explanation that his answer to a simple question "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

One of the most troublesome restrictions was the absolute bar on "work" during the Jewish sabbath. The restrictions were so tight that it was forbidden to light a candle, or, later, turn an electric light on or off. Over the centuries, rabbis crafted an endless series of innovative dodges, including the memorable contention that performing chores in a unusual manner, such as manipulating a light switch with one's foot, somehow changed the fundamental nature of the act sufficiently so as no longer to constitute "work."

But the surest method of evasion for Jews of means was to hire a "shabbos goy" — a gentile servant — to do their work on the sabbath. Some would even deed over their businesses to this underling prior to Jewish holidays, so they could remain open for business, and the goy would obediently deed them back on the following day. It completely avoided any mortal danger from cooking, cleaning, or other physical exertion, and it kept the money rolling in.

One of the very few times that this concept was ever mentioned in the media was in 2000, after Al Gore chose Orthodox Jew Joseph Lieberman as his vice-presidential candidate. Half-Jewish shock-jock Howard Stern quickly painted an unforgettable verbal portrait of President Gore running through the White House on Saturdays, turning lights on and off for his Veep.

Now, being a servant is no disgrace. The British raised it to an art form, and their Empire could never have survived as long as it did without a loyal, efficient, and effective servant class to prop up its degenerate hereditary rulers. But there is a real distinction between those who serve and those who are servile.

Anyone who serves aliens and alien interests to the detriment of his own people, who puts the resources of his country and the flower of its young manhood at risk for the benefit of a foreign country, whose relentless kowtowing to an alien race from an official position of trust renders the entire populace subject to terrorism, deserves nothing but contempt and repudiation from his countrymen.

During his first three years in office, George W. Bush out-shabbos-goyed all of his predecessors by becoming the first president to actually send U.S. troops into combat for the benefit of Israel. At a tremendous expenditure of manpower and money, he has brought low Israel's greatest living nemesis — Saddam Hussein, the man whose nuclear-power plant was bombed by the Israelis in 1981, who lobbed Scud missiles into Tel Aviv during the First Gulf War, who encouraged and financially supported Palestinian suicide-bombers in the Holy Land: in short, the only ruler in the Middle East with the power, ruthlessness, and courage to confront Israel. Thanks to Bush and the resources of the United States he mobilized, that threat is now gone.

There is plenty of independent corroboration that the latest Iraq war was staged for the benefit of Israel. Just a few examples:

"I'll tell you what I think the real threat [from Iraq is] and actually has been since 1990 — it's the threat against Israel," declared Philip Zelikov in 2002. A member of the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board at the time, and later executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Zelikov went on: "And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it's not a popular sell."

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What is Bush's reward for his extraordinary service to the Zionist state?

Bush received 19 percent of the Jewish vote in 2000. Despite frantic efforts by the GOP at all levels to court Jews — who have supplied between 50 percent and 70 percent of all large Democratic donations in critical states such as Florida and Ohio this year — Bush trails Kerry in that demographic by fully 53 percentage points, 75 percent to 22 percent, according to a recent poll commissioned by the National Jewish Democratic Council (though you should consider the source). The Kerry figure — assuming it's accurate — is even more impressive when one realizes that Gore got just 79 percent in 2000, with a genuine Jew sharing his ticket.

If there's anything more pitiful than a shabbos goy, it must be a shabbos goy who can't even find a way to collect for his services.

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The above is an infuriating outrage. A review of an earlier Buchanan piece also from The American Conservative is in order:

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Here’s another one to consider (Link):
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I know first-hand. I've been fighting for custody of my three children for going on 10 years now. My daughter, who is 15, has clearly stated she wants to live with me. The bous have just said the same. However, I'm considered to have an "Unstable life style" due to my career choice. My attorney is diligently working on it, but it takes time and money.


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This is not something for or against the war though some of the feminazis use the war to further their agenda. It is not really an issue specific to the military though the abuses against our soldiers are outrageous. This nonsense DOES hurt morale and recruitment.

Family courts have been out of control for years. They are the tools of feminazis and communist thinking. There is zero justice for men to be found there. Child support has really been turned into woman support with little of the money stolen going to the kids Custodial parents have no duty to prove that any of the money is spent on the intended and proper purpose!

I have been divorced 20 years now. My support payment was $75 week / one kid. When I took the kid away from her, she was ordered to pay $15 - and fell $600 behind on that and I was never able to collect it!! Keep in mind, the bitch had an income higher than mine! I have never remarried and will not, in part because of the lopsided family courts. Fathering a child is the most risky thing a man can do, both emotionally and financially, not to mention criminally. Forget it - who needs the hassle? I sure as hell don't!

I get so angry about this I just want to scream REFORM from the rooftops!!
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If a judge goes against The Soldiers and Sailors relief Act why would the decision be binding? The Army has always had a high divorce rate. Probably higher now because of the frequent deployments but it really isn't anything new.
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You forget,

we are not at war, no war declaration was made by congress.

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QUOTE(c-rock @ Oct 16 2005, 01:49 PM)
You forget,

we are not at war, no war declaration was made by congress.

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You are still an idiot. We have covered this ground before. Congress passed a joint resolution that makes the current conflict totally legal under the laws of this country. You bitch about Bush but congress is the one with the power so why don't you bitch about them you ignorant whiner?
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Then why do they call it WAR? Then declare war like it says in the founding documents of our country?
Why do you ever call yourself a American? finger.gif

You are taking down our republic with your neo-con reasoning.



Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html


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You forget,

we are not at war, no war declaration was made by congress.

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It desn't take a declaration to invoke the Soldiers Civil Relief Act. It only takes being activated (for reservists) or deployed (for active duty)


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QUOTE(c-rock @ Oct 16 2005, 02:39 PM)
Then why do they call it WAR?  Then declare war like it says in the founding documents of our country? 
Why do you ever call yourself a American?  finger.gif

You are taking down our republic with your neo-con reasoning. 
Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
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One of the many reasons I call myself an American is because I have actually done something for this country. How about you? You appear more as a slobbering liberal everyday.
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One of the many reasons I call myself an American is because I have actually done something for this country. How about you? You appear more as a slobbering liberal everyday.
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c-rock, you need to realize that a joint resolution of congress, along with approving money for continued operations, is a declaration of war. It may not have spelled it out, but it authorized funding, troop movements, and attacks deemed necessary. I don't know how more plain it could be....

No one but the tinfoil hat crowds are saying anything about needing a declaration of war. Even the uber-liberals aren't beating that drum, and they'd manufacture a reason to attack this presidency.
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QUOTE(Pepper @ Oct 17 2005, 03:55 AM)
c-rock,

No one but the tinfoil hat crowds are saying anything about needing a declaration of war. Even the uber-liberals aren't beating that drum, and they'd manufacture a reason to attack this presidency.
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