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October 24, 2005 Issue Copyright © 2005 The
American Conservative The Fathers’
War They serve their country and lose their
children. By Stephen Baskerville While our
country focuses on the war abroad, many of our soldiers fight
personal battles here at home—or more accurately, can’t fight. They
are losing their families and getting little help from an
administration that claims to “support the troops” while doing
nothing to protect the parental rights of the fathers it sent into
combat. All the services are facing a severe drop in
recruitment, and additional recruiters, stepped-up advertising, and
bigger bonuses have not reversed the trend. The media points to the
war itself, but the shortfall also coincides with a dramatic rise in
military divorces, which the Army reports have nearly doubled since
2001. “We’ve seen nothing like this before,” says Col. Glen
Bloomstrom, a chaplain who oversees family-support programs. “It
indicates the amount of stress on couples, on families, as the Army
conducts the global war on terrorism.” It indicates much more
than stress. “There most certainly is a relationship between current
recruiting problems and an increase in military divorces,” says
Capt. Gene Thomas Gomulka, a retired Navy chaplain and writer on
military marriage. Muffled by feminist orthodoxy, the Army
and media are not disclosing the facts behind these divorces or
publicizing the threat they pose to preparedness. The important
points are these: the divorces are almost all initiated by wives,
the servicemen usually lose their children—which for many is their
main incentive for serving their country—and finally, they often
become liable to criminal prosecution for child support that is
impossible for them to pay. Laws protecting active-duty
servicemen against legal actions are ignored by family courts.
Deployed servicemen have virtually no protection against
unilaterally initiated divorce proceedings that permanently separate
them from their children without any show of wrongdoing. Child
kidnapping laws likewise do not protect them from having their
children relocated, even to foreign countries, while they cannot be
present to defend their parental rights. When they return, they have
no necessary right to see their children—and can be arrested for
trying to do so—who often join the ranks of the permanently
fatherless. The Lansing State Journal recently reported on
Joe McNeilly, a National Guardsman who “would still have his son if
he hadn’t been deployed,” according to Maj. Dawn Dancer,
public-affairs officer for the Michigan National Guard. Invoking the
correct legal buzzwords, the mother and her lawyer claimed he lost
custody not because of his deployment but because of his “parenting
skills.” Yet his parenting skills were clearly defined in terms of
his deployment. The court attested that it stripped him of custody
because his wife was the “day-to-day caretaker and decision maker in
the child’s life” while McNeilly was deployed. His alleged parental
deficiencies also proceeded apparently from his duties as a soldier.
“My client is making sure to turn off the TV when the news reports
deaths in Iraq,” the mother’s lawyer said, “and (McNeilly) was
engaging in behaviors that brought fear.” In other words, he was
fighting a war. Even more astounding, vicariously divorced
servicemen can be criminally prosecuted for child-support arrearages
that are almost impossible not to accrue while they are on duty.
Reservists are hit particularly hard because their child-support
burdens are based on their civilian pay and do not decrease when
their income decreases. Because reservists are often mobilized with
little notice, few get modifications before they leave, and
modifications are almost never granted anyway. They cannot get
relief when they return because federal law prohibits retroactive
reductions for any reason. Once arrearages reach $5,000, the soldier
becomes a felon and subject to imprisonment. Further, states
assess interest and penalties on arrearages, which may accrue
because of human or computer errors. These too cannot be forgiven,
so parents who fall behind for reasons beyond their control can
never have these debts erased. Because state agencies are federally
subsidized based on how much they collect, they have a powerful
incentive not to reduce burdens, to extract every penny they can
find, and to make “errors.” Deployed soldiers are also
targeted by women who falsely designate them as the fathers of their
newborns. “The military provides a steady, easily garnished income
as well as medical care,” says Carnell Smith of Citizens Against
Paternity Fraud. It is difficult to contest paternity while fighting
a war thousands of miles away. Spouses have other financial
incentives to divorce military personnel. A serviceman must complete
20 years of active service to qualify for retirement pay. A woman
married to the man for one day may claim a portion of the pension
for life, without regard to fault or need, simply by filing for
divorce. As David Usher points out in Men’s News Daily, there is no
limit on how many times a woman can do this. (Men have done it
too.) None of this is hypothetical. Many veterans face such
hardships now: • “Gary,” an 18-year veteran with an
unblemished military and civilian record, was stripped of his child
by a California court while deployed in Afghanistan as a Navy SEAL,
according to Fox News. Columnist Glenn Sacks reports that he is now
being bankrupted by child support and legal fees. • Bobby
Sherrill, a father of two from Parkton, North Carolina, was held
hostage in Iraq for nearly five months. The night he returned from
the Persian Gulf he was arrested for failing to pay $1,425 in child
support while captive. • While serving in Iraq, Taron James
was ordered to pay support for a child he knew could not be his, and
DNA tests confirmed his claim. The district attorney and Los Angeles
County Child Support Services nevertheless seized his tax refund
annually, blocked him from renewing his notary-public license—which
caused him to lose his job—ruined his credit, blocked him from
obtaining a passport, and forced him to drop out of
college. These are not aberrations. They proceed from the
ideologically and bureaucratically driven logic of the
custody-support industry, which depends for its justification on
removing children and criminalizing the fathers. The Army’s
response has been to spend millions on therapeutic gimmicks in a
futile effort to reduce the divorces: counseling services, support
groups, romantic getaways, even advice to single soldiers on how to
pick partners wisely. “Our hope is to change the culture,”
says Bloomstrom, who also adopts civilian-sector jargon. “Initially
there’s a stigma about any program to do with relationships. We need
to teach that there’s nothing wrong with preventive maintenance for
marriage.” The Army is burying its head in the sand. We can
only hope that communications workshops and cultural understanding
are not the approach they take to opponents in the field. They do so
in this case because the threat is not Islamic radicals but feminist
radicals. Those affected see through the obfuscation. “This
is outrageous,” said Kathy Moakler, deputy director of government
relations of the National Military Family Association. “It’s a scary
precedent to set, charging the parent with abandonment because he
was deployed.” Obviously these men have not abandoned their
children. Yet what justifies criminal penalties, if it is not to
catch those who have? If these fathers are being stripped of their
children and criminalized through no fault of their own, why should
we assume that others are being treated any less unjustly? This
points to the larger issue, since the obvious injustices to
soldiers, sailors, and airmen are simply the logical next step from
what has been inflicted on others for years. The dysfunctional
effects on military efficiency are also paralleled elsewhere in
society. The flight of men from the military strikingly
parallels the flight of men from marriage, with its attendant drop
in birth rates, that has come to preoccupy policymakers up to the
level of president. Men are staying away from both institutions for
the same reasons: for many they have become a ticket to
jail. The National Marriage Project at Rutgers University
reports a continued drop in the marriage rate. They too ignore the
criminal penalties that men can incur when they marry, instead
urging therapy and formulaically excoriating men for their lack of
“commitment.” Citing the Rutgers study, Assistant Secretary of
Health and Human Services Wade Horn promotes federal marriage
programs inculcating “conflict-resolution skills.” Men do not
risk their lives, fight, and die for a country that is an
abstraction. They fight and die for their families and homes and
freedom, all of which are being taken away by the courts. “Sometimes
I wonder what I risked my life for [in Afghanistan],” “Gary” tells
Sacks. “I went to fight for freedom but what freedom and what rights
mean anything if a man doesn’t have the right to be a father to his
own child?” Gordon Dollar was a reservist for 16 years in
the National Guard and Naval Reserves. “I have friends that are very
motivated and dedicated people, Frogmen/SEALS, Green Berets, and
Rangers, and they were getting out too,” he tells Usher. “I think
people who served this country are feeling betrayed by it, and see
no point in serving it.” California Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger has just signed legislation protecting military
personnel in custody and child-support cases. Missouri is the only
other state to protect reservists on active duty by requiring
automatic adjustments in their child support. More states need to
act. Federally, the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act, which
protects deployed military persons from other civil suits, should be
amended to include specifically the actions of divorce courts and
child-support bureaucracies. The Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction
and Enforcement Act, designed to prevent parental kidnappings, could
also be modified to protect service personnel whose children are
snatched away. Finally, Congress should repeal the infamous Bradley
Amendment, so that judges can exercise reasonable discretion to
modify child-support debts downward as well as upward in cases in
patent injustice. It is ironic that, as we defend a
questionable military policy with patriotic appeals to support the
troops who must execute it, we allow the breakdown of traditional
morality and the erosion of ancient legal protections for the family
to ruin those same troops once they return home. This undermines not
only the military, of course, but also the patriotic appeals. But
even more, in the long run it also undermines our national defense.
It would be difficult to find a single policy that so simultaneously
weakens the nation within and without. What we are seeing
here is only one vindication of now forgotten prophecies from
critics like G.K. Chesterton that easy divorce would destroy not
only the family but civilization itself. Yet as the prediction is
fulfilled before our eyes, our leaders obfuscate it with clichés and
psychobabble. The much-belabored parallel with Rome is
irresistible. External threats are successfully withstood until the
internal moral decay that accompanies the breakdown of republican
freedom and virtue. For Islamists who regard the West as a morally
and sexually decadent culture, the prospect must be encouraging.
____________________________________________ Stephen
Baskerville is a political scientist and president of the American
Coalition for Fathers and Children October 24, 2005
Issue http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/article2.html
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The above is an infuriating outrage. A review
of an earlier Buchanan piece also from The American
Conservative is in order: Link
QUOTE
Whose War?
A
neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of
wars that are not in America’s interest.
by Patrick J.
Buchanan
The War Party may have gotten its war. But it
has also gotten something it did not bargain for. Its membership
lists and associations have been exposed and its motives challenged.
In a rare moment in U.S. journalism, Tim Russert put this question
directly to Richard Perle: “Can you assure American viewers ... that
we’re in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for
American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of
Israel?”
Suddenly, the Israeli connection is on the table,
and the War Party is not amused. Finding themselves in an
unanticipated firefight, our neoconservative friends are doing what
comes naturally, seeking student deferments from political combat by
claiming the status of a persecuted minority group. People who claim
to be writing the foreign policy of the world superpower, one would
think, would be a little more manly in the schoolyard of politics.
Not so.
Former Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot
kicked off the campaign. When these “Buchananites toss around
‘neoconservative’—and cite names like Wolfowitz and Cohen—it
sometimes sounds as if what they really mean is ‘Jewish
conservative.’” Yet Boot readily concedes that a passionate
attachment to Israel is a “key tenet of neoconservatism.” He also
claims that the National Security Strategy of President Bush “sounds
as if it could have come straight out from the pages of
Commentary magazine, the neocon bible.” (For the uninitiated,
Commentary, the bible in which Boot seeks divine guidance, is
the monthly of the American Jewish
Committee.)
-snip-
Indeed, it is the charge of
“anti-Semitism” itself that is toxic. For this venerable slander is
designed to nullify public discourse by smearing and intimidating
foes and censoring and blacklisting them and any who would publish
them. Neocons say we attack them because they are Jewish. We do not.
We attack them because their warmongering threatens our country,
even as it finds a reliable echo in Ariel
Sharon.
-snip-
In a Feb. 9 front-page article in the
Washington Post, Robert Kaiser quotes a senior U.S. official
as saying, “The Likudniks are really in charge now.” Kaiser names
Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith as members of a pro-Israel network
inside the administration and adds David Wurmser of the Defense
Department and Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council.
(Abrams is the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, editor emeritus of
Commentary, whose magazine has for decades branded critics of
Israel as anti-Semites.)
Noting that Sharon repeatedly claims
a “special closeness” to the Bushites, Kaiser writes, “For the first
time a U.S. administration and a Likud government are pursuing
nearly identical policies.” And a valid question is: how did this
come to be, and while it is surely in Sharon’s interest, is it in
America’s interest?
-snip- Here’s
another one to consider ( Link):
QUOTE
Nobody loves a shabbos
goy: Bush, Iraq, and Israel
By DOUGLAS
OLSON
In olden days, before most just said "the hell with
this" and abandoned real Judaism for its "conservative" and "reform"
mutations, Jews spent an incredible amount of time and energy
evading the inconvenient tenets of their religion. The endlessly
creative mental and verbal gymnastics performed by their wise men to
sidestep clear provisions of religious law were worthy of Olympic
champions, and unquestionably were the intellectual precursors of
Bill Clinton's explanation that his answer to a simple question
"depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."
One of the most
troublesome restrictions was the absolute bar on "work" during the
Jewish sabbath. The restrictions were so tight that it was forbidden
to light a candle, or, later, turn an electric light on or off. Over
the centuries, rabbis crafted an endless series of innovative
dodges, including the memorable contention that performing chores in
a unusual manner, such as manipulating a light switch with one's
foot, somehow changed the fundamental nature of the act sufficiently
so as no longer to constitute "work."
But the surest method
of evasion for Jews of means was to hire a "shabbos goy" — a gentile
servant — to do their work on the sabbath. Some would even deed over
their businesses to this underling prior to Jewish holidays, so they
could remain open for business, and the goy would obediently deed
them back on the following day. It completely avoided any mortal
danger from cooking, cleaning, or other physical exertion, and it
kept the money rolling in.
One of the very few times that
this concept was ever mentioned in the media was in 2000, after Al
Gore chose Orthodox Jew Joseph Lieberman as his vice-presidential
candidate. Half-Jewish shock-jock Howard Stern quickly painted an
unforgettable verbal portrait of President Gore running through the
White House on Saturdays, turning lights on and off for his Veep.
Now, being a servant is no disgrace. The British raised it
to an art form, and their Empire could never have survived as long
as it did without a loyal, efficient, and effective servant class to
prop up its degenerate hereditary rulers. But there is a real
distinction between those who serve and those who are servile.
Anyone who serves aliens and alien interests to the
detriment of his own people, who puts the resources of his country
and the flower of its young manhood at risk for the benefit of a
foreign country, whose relentless kowtowing to an alien race from an
official position of trust renders the entire populace subject to
terrorism, deserves nothing but contempt and repudiation from his
countrymen.
During his first three years in office, George W.
Bush out-shabbos-goyed all of his predecessors by becoming the first
president to actually send U.S. troops into combat for the benefit
of Israel. At a tremendous expenditure of manpower and money, he has
brought low Israel's greatest living nemesis — Saddam Hussein, the
man whose nuclear-power plant was bombed by the Israelis in 1981,
who lobbed Scud missiles into Tel Aviv during the First Gulf War,
who encouraged and financially supported Palestinian suicide-bombers
in the Holy Land: in short, the only ruler in the Middle East with
the power, ruthlessness, and courage to confront Israel. Thanks to
Bush and the resources of the United States he mobilized, that
threat is now gone.
There is plenty of independent
corroboration that the latest Iraq war was staged for the benefit of
Israel. Just a few examples:
"I'll tell you what I think the
real threat [from Iraq is] and actually has been since 1990 — it's
the threat against Israel," declared Philip Zelikov in 2002. A
member of the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board at the
time, and later executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Zelikov
went on: "And this is the threat that dare not speak its name,
because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will
tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean
too hard on it rhetorically, because it's not a popular sell."
-snip-
What is Bush's reward for his extraordinary
service to the Zionist state?
Bush received 19 percent of
the Jewish vote in 2000. Despite frantic efforts by the GOP at all
levels to court Jews — who have supplied between 50 percent and 70
percent of all large Democratic donations in critical states such as
Florida and Ohio this year — Bush trails Kerry in that demographic
by fully 53 percentage points, 75 percent to 22 percent, according
to a recent poll commissioned by the National Jewish Democratic
Council (though you should consider the source). The Kerry figure —
assuming it's accurate — is even more impressive when one realizes
that Gore got just 79 percent in 2000, with a genuine Jew sharing
his ticket.
If there's anything more pitiful than a shabbos
goy, it must be a shabbos goy who can't even find a way to collect
for his services.
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QUOTE(Battery @ Oct 16 2005, 03:29 PM)
The above is an infuriating
outrage. A review of an earlier Buchanan piece also from The
American Conservative is in order: LinkHere’s another one to consider ( Link):
I
know first-hand. I've been fighting for custody of my three children
for going on 10 years now. My daughter, who is 15, has clearly
stated she wants to live with me. The bous have just said the same.
However, I'm considered to have an "Unstable life style" due to my
career choice. My attorney is diligently working on it, but it takes
time and money. Bob
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This is not something for or against the war
though some of the feminazis use the war to further their agenda. It
is not really an issue specific to the military though the abuses
against our soldiers are outrageous. This nonsense DOES hurt morale
and recruitment.
Family courts have been out of control for
years. They are the tools of feminazis and communist thinking. There
is zero justice for men to be found there. Child support has really
been turned into woman support with little of the money stolen going
to the kids Custodial parents have no duty to prove that any of the
money is spent on the intended and proper purpose!
I have
been divorced 20 years now. My support payment was $75 week / one
kid. When I took the kid away from her, she was ordered to pay $15 -
and fell $600 behind on that and I was never able to collect it!!
Keep in mind, the bitch had an income higher than mine! I have never
remarried and will not, in part because of the lopsided family
courts. Fathering a child is the most risky thing a man can do, both
emotionally and financially, not to mention criminally. Forget it -
who needs the hassle? I sure as hell don't!
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If a judge goes against The Soldiers and
Sailors relief Act why would the decision be binding? The Army has
always had a high divorce rate. Probably higher now because of the
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You forget,
we are not at war, no war
declaration was made by congress.
c-rock
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QUOTE(c-rock @ Oct 16 2005, 01:49 PM)
You forget, we are
not at war, no war declaration was made by congress.
c-rock
You
are still an idiot. We have covered this ground before. Congress
passed a joint resolution that makes the current conflict totally
legal under the laws of this country. You bitch about Bush but
congress is the one with the power so why don't you bitch about them
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Then why do they call it WAR?
Then declare war like it says in the founding documents of our
country? Why do you ever call yourself a American? You are taking down our republic with
your neo-con reasoning. Section. 8. Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United
States; Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations,
and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,
and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the
United States; Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value
thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and
Measures; Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of
counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful
Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme
Court; Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies
committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and
Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation
of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy; Clause
14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and
naval Forces; Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the
Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and
repel Invasions; Clause 16: To provide for organizing,
arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part
of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States,
reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the
Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress; Clause 17: To exercise
exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District
(not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular
States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the
Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over
all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State
in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines,
Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and
proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all
other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the
United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
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QUOTE(c-rock @ Oct 17 2005, 02:49 AM)
You forget, we are
not at war, no war declaration was made by congress.
c-rock
It
desn't take a declaration to invoke the Soldiers Civil Relief Act.
It only takes being activated (for reservists) or deployed (for
active duty) Bob
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QUOTE(c-rock @ Oct 16 2005, 02:39 PM)
Then why do they call it
WAR? Then declare war like it says in the founding documents
of our country? Why do you ever call yourself a
American?
You are taking down our republic with your neo-con
reasoning. Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall
have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to
pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare
of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States; Clause 2: To borrow
Money on the credit of the United States; Clause 3: To
regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several
States, and with the Indian Tribes; Clause 4: To establish
an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject
of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; Clause 5: To
coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix
the Standard of Weights and Measures; Clause 6: To provide
for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin
of the United States; Clause 7: To establish Post Offices
and post Roads; Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science
and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and
Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and
Discoveries; Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to
the supreme Court; Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies
and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the
Law of Nations; Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of
Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and
Water; Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no
Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than
two Years; Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation
of the land and naval Forces; Clause 15: To provide for
calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress
Insurrections and repel Invasions; Clause 16: To provide for
organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing
such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the
Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress; Clause 17: To exercise
exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District
(not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular
States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the
Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over
all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State
in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines,
Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and
proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all
other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the
United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
One
of the many reasons I call myself an American is because I have
actually done something for this country. How about you? You appear
more as a slobbering liberal everyday.
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QUOTE(EOD @ Oct 17 2005, 04:47 AM)
One of the many reasons I
call myself an American is because I have actually done something
for this country. How about you? You appear more as a slobbering
liberal everyday.
+1
Bob
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"Happily providing the enemy an opportunity
to die for their country since 1987
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| c-rock |
Oct 17
2005, 07:30 AM
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QUOTE(Pepper @ Oct 17 2005, 03:55 AM)
c-rock, No one but
the tinfoil hat crowds are saying anything about needing a
declaration of war. Even the uber-liberals aren't beating that drum,
and they'd manufacture a reason to attack this presidency.
Do
they even believe in the consitutition?
c-rock
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